ACC Player of the Year and Coach of the Year

**R0cketer** · March 12th, 2010, 05:01 PM

If you have to keep telling yourself that your opinion is 100% right, sounds like you got a problem

**Biggin** · March 12th, 2010, 09:03 PM

And if you keep repeating yourself without any facts, or statistics, sounds like you have a problem admitting being wrong.

50%=Even, a toss up.
51%=A Majority
75%, 3/4=The obvious choice

**R0cketer** · March 12th, 2010, 11:35 PM

Oh lord no, I can admit being wrong. Do it quite often. Just don't think that its a slam dunk choice, not when numbers are close across the board.

By the PVFan logic, when of course its not a team he supports, Vasquez shot 21 times tonight, and his team lost, and its easy to get 17 points when you shoot 21 times, and etc etc etc

Of course this time, he was facing triple-teams and was what the entire focus was on stopping since its a team he supports

Here's the problem, the guy probably is the best player in the league. No problem with that, but a big problem with the inability for anybody to have a different opinion when its counter to your favorite team.

If someone has watched Kentucky all year, you could make an argument for Wall or Cousins to be player of the year. Heck you could probably make a good argument for Paterson being the most valuable player. If you watched it today, Cousins wouldn't be in the argument. If you watched them lose earlier this year, you would swear that Dockett was the best player in the league. You had Smith being by far the best player on UT, they boot him off, you think they are dead, yet they still battle and win. It's the same type argument, there are seldom slam dunks. Maybe a players system makes them better, if you watch them every game and someone else a few games, you probably can see the little things they do or if you're against the other team, you see one of their players have a bad game and write them off.

One of the worst things that a lot of us do on here, myself included at times, is taking off our respective glasses and seeing that just because we think something, doesn't make it a slam dunk.

Being a Clintwood fan, going football-wise, I could honestly state that if someone seen Clintwood one game or two, or even a few, they would have thought that a player like Bevel didn't have the year this year that he had last year. Of course last year, he also had another guy on the line like Hull. Being there and seeing what he faced game-in, game-out, I can realize he was better this year. Same idea and I do understand the argument why someone could think he wasn't as good but there is no way to put numbers that make it better. We love to crunch numbers, but we all twist them around to pick the way we want. What is the saying, tell me what numbers you want, I'll find a way to make them fit what you need. Creative accounting, and it works with players.

Again, the guy is probably the POY and it may be a clear choice but when someone who is a fan of the team is the one talking about something being a slam dunk choice, it kind of rings hollow.

**pvfan** · March 13th, 2010, 02:18 AM

It's just dumb, he played awful tonight. It's a regular season award, he was hands down the best player in the regular season. You can find posts on here where I said PV was second in the LPD in football and CW was 1 due to their head to head win. I just use common sense, something that you and Cane simply can't do.

**Rocky** · March 13th, 2010, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by pvfan

It's just dumb, he played awful tonight. It's a regular season award, he was hands down the best player in the regular season. You can find posts on here where I said PV was second in the LPD in football and CW was 1 due to their head to head win. I just use common sense, something that you and Cane simply can't do.

how are they not using common sense when all that they have said is that the other two players in question were also good choices for the award? It could have went all 3 ways. IMHO the deserving player won the award, and i would have been surprised if vasquez didnt win. SURPRISED, not SHOCKED. i dont see the argument here, ive read this thread at least 10 times and im not finding the argument, they both agree that your player should have won the award but that it was close. If im ina pass punt kick competition, and i throw the ball 62 yards, punt 59 yards, kick 45 yards and you throw 63 punt 61, and kick 47 thats not that big of a difference. the stats were close.

and in closing i want to say grats vasquez YOU DESERVED IT

**R0cketer** · March 13th, 2010, 11:48 AM

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

Thats the argument I tried to make, that when there is 2 or 3 players who are really close, personal favorites should not make one a slam dunk choice and the others horrible if it went the other way.

Its kind of logical that when someone is a fan of a team, and there are a couple of equal or nearly equal choices, they are going to be jaded enough to see theirs as the best most of the time.

**pvfan** · March 13th, 2010, 11:55 AM

Keep thinking that Rock. I guess having over 70% of the people who follow this thing religously agreeing with me isn't enough? If it was close I would say you could pick either one, it wasn't. Maybe by next football season you'll finally come to realize that I don't hate Vanover, and I could see picking him over Hubbard, that was close. This is not.

**Biggin** · March 13th, 2010, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by R0cketer

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

Thats the argument I tried to make, that when there is 2 or 3 players who are really close, personal favorites should not make one a slam dunk choice and the others horrible if it went the other way.

Its kind of logical that when someone is a fan of a team, and there are a couple of equal or nearly equal choices, they are going to be jaded enough to see theirs as the best most of the time.

that doesnt ness. have to be true.

just because you know people that cant put their rose glasses away, doesnt mean every person is like that.

what you are saying is that people are always bias and if their favorite team is involved, their opinion should somehow mean less.

and thats simply not true.
i know many many people, including some forum members on here, that can discuss their favorite team in realistic terms, so why is it so out of the ordinary to believe that maybe, even if he plays on a favorite team, that he is the obvious slam dunk choice?

Winning 75% of the vote=A slam dunk choice

**Rocky** · March 13th, 2010, 05:37 PM

winning 75% of the vote is a slam dunk win. doesnt necessarily mean he is the slam dunk choice though. : ) the stats were close spread out but he was better in ACC games. im a fan of the kid, love his passion, love his ability, but like i said i wouldnt have been totally shocked if any of the guys had won it and ive watched them all play many many times. im happy with the decision.